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Subud latihan

Domain XIV · Western esoteric, divinatory & new spiritual movements · Muhammad Subuh Sumohadiwidjojo · 1925 · Java

Full guide

What it is

Subud is not a therapy. The WSA describes it as an international spiritual association "of people of all nationalities, cultures and beliefs"; it says Subud is not a religion and involves no study and no teacher. Members practise a "spiritual exercise", the latihan kejiwaan (Indonesian: roughly…

Format

  • Enquiry and applicant period. Prospective members typically wait up to three months and meet local helpers during that time; membership is open from age 17; non-members do not attend latihan until opened. Goal (as described): an unhurried decision and preliminary practical advice. Webb also states…
  • Regular group latihan. Groups meet once or twice a week for about 30 minutes, men and women in separate spaces; members sit quietly first, then stand and receive. Britannica gives "about an hour, twice a week", separate rooms, with unplanned singing and dancing. Sources differ on duration; follow…

Who practises it, and how they are trained or regulated

  • What it is. Subud is not a therapy. The WSA describes it as an international spiritual association "of people of all nationalities, cultures and beliefs"; it says Subud is not a religion and involves no study and no teacher. Members practise a "spiritual exercise", the latihan kejiwaan (Indonesian: roughly "spiritual exercise/training"), which the WSA says each person experiences uniquely as a connection to God or…

Evidence status, as the guide reports it

  • How change is held to happen (attributed). Members sit quietly, then stand and "receive" spontaneous movements, sounds and feelings that the movement regards as coming from the person's deepest self; Webb calls it a nonstructured "ritual of surrender". Nothing is learned or performed by technique;…

Questions to explore with your client

  • What drew you to it, and what are you hoping it will change?
  • Does it involve any substance, plant preparation, remedy or supplement? Has your doctor or prescriber been told, especially about any medication you take?
  • Does it involve intense or unusual breathing? Have you been told about the medical conditions for which that is not advised?
  • Does it involve fasting, a special diet or 'detox'? Have you discussed this with your doctor?
  • Is it a group, retreat or community? How do they respond if someone wants to leave or raises a concern?
  • Who runs it, and what training or registration do they hold?
  • What actually happens in a session or meeting, and how often?
  • What does it cost, and is there pressure to commit to more?
  • How do you feel afterwards, in the hours and days that follow?
  • Does it fit with, or clash with, the work we do here?

What practitioners of it watch for

  • Drifting into a spiritual-advisor role; avoiding the topic altogether.
  • Relief at not being labelled; avoid using this framing to miss a disorder found in 4.4 or 4.5.
  • Family conflict escalating into ultimatums; working when the relative can keep contact and raise concerns calmly.
  • Refusal framed as spiritual ("this is purification"); respond with respect for the meaning and clarity about risk.
  • Paralysis without a test; distress at conflicting results; decisions others make for the client. Working when the client reports owning their choices.

When to involve someone else

  • New or worsening physical symptoms, or advice to stop or change prescribed medication: involve the client's doctor or prescriber.
  • Signs of coercion, isolation from family and friends, escalating costs or secrecy: discuss openly and consider safeguarding.
  • A crisis or thoughts of suicide: follow your crisis protocol. In the US, call or text 988; in the UK and Ireland, Samaritans on 116 123.

Drawn automatically from the guide's own sections. Stay curious: neither endorse nor dismiss what the client values, and check anything that matters against the full guide and its sources. Not medical advice.